In Conversation with Vincent Adduci. An interview with an owner of a Melbourne institution: @pushpull.shop. A brand that started from screenprints in a garage, and eventually to every street corner of Melbourne. We recently sat down and spoke to @vincent_adduci about being creative in a rigid society, an introspective chat about mental health, and his past footy career.
CF: I’m glad to do the first few in person. It’s a lot of learning for us as well at the same time.
100%, 100%.
And that's the first question we had for you- about learning. Obviously, you started Push Pull from the ground up. How important was self-learning and discovery compared to if someone had told you everything you needed to know right off the bat?
VA: That's a great question. Look at the questions; that's a really great question. I guess for me, the journey has been a real rollercoaster. There's been so many ups and downs, lefts and rights. Because you don't have anyone teaching you or there's no real blueprint, it is really, really hard. What's funny is people just see the final result on Instagram, TikTok, a reel or the final product itself on the website, but no one sees the hardships and behind the scenes. The learning and the growth are what happens behind the scenes and that's what's really funny. That's something that I don't see a lot of brands doing- actually diving deep into the journey and showing content around it. You need a full-time videographer with you to show that, but I mean I’ve never wanted to change something in the past. Do I wish I had a mentor or something like that? In hindsight, that would be great. But I don't ever wish anything other than how my journey has been because I wouldn't be sitting here right now, if that makes sense. Everything happens for a reason. It’s such a cliche statement, but legit, all the things that I've been through have led me and opened doors for me. If I was to potentially change one millisecond of a moment that I've been through, maybe I'm not here talking to you guys. I really believe in that. Everything happens for a reason. When you’re younger, you just go through life and don’t challenge your own thought process of, ‘why is this happening? Why am I sitting here right now talking?’ and reflect. Life does go by, and I feel like a lot of people get to a moment in time when they're 30, 35 years old and they think, “sh*t, life has just gone by and I have never thought, ‘why is this happening?’ There have been so many moments where I've really had to sit and reflect, if the universe was telling me to keep pushing.
To circle back, it would have been great to have someone to help teach me all these things, but also it's been really cool because it's almost been my playground. I haven't been formally trained and I haven't gone to uni. I've done things with the beginner’s mindset where it's about being curious and experimenting. The more that the business has gone on, I've been able to tap into more of that and refine it to make it into what it is now. That's the forefront of decision making- curiosity. Exploring. Having fun and reducing all the stereotypes of, ‘oh, what does someone think if I do this?’ F*ck it. I'm just going to do what feels right to me. I like to use references from things that I really like- a lot of the skits revolve around things that I’ve seen in movies and TV shows.
What’s really cool as well is when you grow, and when you go through life and age, there's so many more moments that happen in your life that you can draw on and use as inspiration. When you're so young, everything is so finite. You don't grasp the full concept of moments that happen in your life that might be funny or moments that might be sad- moments that you can draw inspiration from and create. I don't know if that answers your question.
No, it definitely does.
And the big thing that comes around to that is I feel like another one of my purposes or maybe what the universe wants for me to be is to actually become a mentor. It's funny. I didn’t have a mentor, but I'd love to help mentor people- like a full circle moment where I can eventually help people out. Not from a place of, ‘oh, you should do this or that,’ but just to empower people and give them the confidence to go and do something. I've never been that person that is super talented. I had to be self-driven. But I know so many people that are so talented they just don't have that belief. All you need is one person to believe in you and I feel like that's something.
Would you say that helping people out and giving back is something you always set out to do, or is that something that has developed over time?
No. Never. When you first start doing something, it's a hobby, and you're just being curious and experimenting. Eventually, you start to grow, and you start to develop your identity, and my identity is constantly changing. Not drastically, but each year you learn more about yourself and who you are. To build off the natural progression of myself, I feel like that's where I'm leaning towards- just really wanting to help. That's a massive thing about me. When I went to school, I didn't do anything creative. Nothing. I just followed what my mates were doing. To be honest, I was too scared to do anything creative. The mindset was a similar to, ‘What? Do something creative? What job is that?’ Coming from an Italian background as well, it was engrained in me that I had to go to uni. Sort of like assimilating into the rat race of life.
I guess I was really lucky that I met the right people at the right time. I was curious and wanted to do something with streetwear. I guess with that, it's the balance. I want to continue to grow out and I'd love to help people eventually. For example, I'd love to have an agency where people can come and I can help build out their dreams and almost just be someone there to say, ‘you can do this.’ One thing that I’ve really realised is you can actually do anything, but you just need one person to believe in you and help drive you.
AY: On that, how did you break through that mindset of thinking that everyone else is going to uni, but I want to separate myself from that pack? I think with a lot of people, it's pretty hard. It's really easy to fall into that trap of, you know, your parents want you to go to uni, so you end up listening to them.
You know what? It’s legit because I'm someone who doesn't really like getting told what I can or can't do. If someone tells me don't touch the hot kettle, I'm going to touch the kettle because I'm curious. My brain is a bit driven like that. With my upbringing and with my family, they would tell me to study, and I would be very oppressive of that- not rebellious. I just had faith that the right thing would come for me, and I trusted in that. It’s a bit hard to explain, but if I'm going to be completely honest, when I decided to rip the band-aid off and jump into this, I didn't have the willingness to understand what my mindset was. I just dove into it and I didn’t really think. And that's the thing- the mindset that I've developed is sort of about diving into things and just sort of going with. It's so hard and I guess life is so hard. It's difficult to just go, ‘oh, I've got this nine-to-five job and I should just quit dive into something new.’ I'm not saying that you should do that, but if you really want something, you're the only person that can really get it. If you want it, you have to make sacrifices you gotta go for it. I guess that's where my mindset has developed to.
The other thing is I didn't really have anything that I was wanting to do. I didn't really have a career path that I was going down. I was just filling in time with my dad- he’s a builder, so I was helping him out and I was playing football. That was still my dream, to play AFL. I'm really grateful that I had a really good family that supported me and I didn't have to move out of home. That gave me a little bit of freedom to experiment and have that fluidity to think, ‘f*ck it, I'm just going to have a crack.’ It is really hard though. I see so many creative people and talented people go through that. They're on the fence- they still have their creative outlet, but they're still living in fear of needing to do uni and a job to survive. You're in that rat race of life, but then on the other side, you've got this potential and dream that you really want. So many people live on that edge and so many people fall to the ladder, and they don't tip over into their true potential. People just fall back into society. And that's not to say that everyone has that same aspiration. That's why there's so many people. Everyone has to play their roles in life and some people are better suited to living that life of the nine-to-five and being comfortable, and that's OK. But the people that I surround myself with are all those people who are creative and ambitious and are on that fence. It's easier said than done to just fall into it, but from my experience your nine-to-five job is always going to be there. Going to uni is always going to be there. But the moment to pursue your creative dream or even just ANY dream that's not even creative, the window for that will come and go very quick. I'm 26 and almost 30- life has gone so quick. It's easier said than done, but the thing is if you go all in and it doesn't work, you learn so much there. Push Pull for me is my uni. I've learned everything about life. I've learnt about being a manager and business. I’ve learnt about relationships, friendships, and managing emotions. It’s taught be about dealing with anxiety. It's been my uni. For those who decide to take that leap and it doesn't work, you can always revert back. I feel like it's so hard to start there and be so tied into it and then try to make it in a creative landscape. It still can be done, but it’s harder when you're older.
Especially now, it's never been an easier time to do what you were saying and go back to uni. And you speak a lot like Simon Agosta, similar to what he was saying to us as well about that creative mindset and uni, but obviously he’s doing some great things with Milkbar. I want to ask you as well about your mates that you work with. When I spoke to both Dyl and Simon, they were talking about how important it was for them to talk and collaborate with close friends. What sort of ways do you keep challenging each other out, even though it has been years since Push Pull started?
We've had so many people come and go through the brand. That's something that I struggled with at the start- I'm someone who's really selfless and I try to empower people. It'd be my anxiety that people would leave, and that used to really hurt me because I felt like I would open up so much and then when someone wanted to leave, that would really hurt because I've given my all. That's something that I've really had to work on. I'm at a point in my life right now where we recently had some key members leave as well, and I was really proud of myself the way that I went about it. Whatever they were happy with, I just want to support them. And everything's ok- things will keep rolling. George and I have been there together the longest- he's like my brother and he's also my best mate. We have such a special dynamic where I could never see myself ever falling out with him. We definitely have disagreements, but the thing that I've really noticed as well is identifying roles. George and I, we both know what we're good at, and they're different. We come together to collaborate, but when we do our own thing, we're not in each other's lanes.
When you're also building out a team, something that I used to do is I used to give a little bit too much of myself. What I've really learned is I just need people to come in to help facilitate and play a role, rather than create. I want people to create, but I want them to create within the vision. Trusting people and building those connections with people who have a likeminded vision as you that can play a role and execute, but also put their flair on it. Again, what I'm really proud of with the team at the moment is we've got these two young boys- Toby and this kid named Godswar. They're 19-20 years old, and super creative and hard working. That's something that's really, really big for me, because that's where I've come from. It's just work ethic, not being talented, just work ethic. I was able to stipulate to them the vision and what I wanted, and it's not to box them in, but it's more of, ‘ok, now you have the confinements of what the vision is, now create within that,’ rather than come in and add, and add, and add, because that's where things can get messy and that's something that I've come to learn as the team evolves. You have to realise that as a creative director, you need people to come and help build with you rather than build alongside.
My ethos moving forward is no matter who comes or goes into the business, I hope that when they leave, they're a better person. That's my massive thing now. It's inevitable that people will come and go, that's the thing. But that's something that I couldn't grasp. I always thought everyone would be with me forever because I just love building deeper connections. That’s also something that I’ve learnt- you can't give everything, because that's when you get hurt. As a leader you can't just be everyone's best friend, you have to set the parameters of work hours. Yes, we take our work seriously, but we don't take ourselves seriously.
Yeah. I like how you talk about growing a lot. In high school they try to teach us a lot about it. No one listen though.
Yeah, well think about it. Think about your parents- they tell me so much good advice. I never listen to it. But if there's a person in the industry that you really look up to, you listen. And that's the same with me. When people I look up to and aspire to like, I listen more and I don't know why that is. It's some sort of human conditioning. I feel like it's just been put in there, like the ones that are really closest to you when they give you advice, you sort of think to yourself, ‘f*ck off,’ and then there's a stranger saying it and then you're thinking, ‘oh wow,’ and they've said the same thing. It's weird how that happens, but that's probably the biggest thing that I really, really love about what I do. For business growth and my own growth as a person, constantly challenging myself to be the best version I can be. That's something that I take massive pride in.
I see a psychologist once a fortnight, just for my mental. Life is so chaotic. That's something that I really take pride in. I look after my mental health and try to be the best version I can be for myself. I know that if I don’t, I'm a shell of a human. And I'm an anxious person- I've got anxiety as well. If I don't look after that sort of stuff, slowly my anxiety comes out in ways that I'm not proud of. I put my hand up- I'm not a perfect person. Something that has really humbled me is knowing that no one is perfect, but the thing that I really love is the ability to get better each day- 1%, 2%. It’s really cool.
That's something I wanted to tie in as well, about mental health. You were talking about people who don't really listen to their parents and teachers, that sort of thing. Mental health is sort of something that is swept under the carpet. There’s a quote here from you, where you said ‘we live in a world where anxiety and mental health struggles plague young people, so we hope to shed light positivity on those situations by showing dreams could come true and passion will outweigh anything.’ As someone who is well respected in the industry, what is a particular message that you would like to share?
It's actually funny as I've been speaking to a few friends about mental health at the moment. I almost feel like it’s a little bit of a trend at the moment, where it's like everyone wants to preach about mental health. I find it really hard to try to be an advocate for mental health. I'd rather just be someone who sheds light on my own journey and show that I actively do something about it. I don't want to sit here and preach. That's not what I'm about. But I'd rather talk to you guys, like yes, I am someone who's got mental health problems and I work on it. I actually really love and embrace what it is. It's my superpower as well. It makes me who I am. So it's just about trying to teach and learn about it, as well as becoming ok with it and being calmer about it. I have tactics I use to level my moods out.
There's no one way where you can go about it. There are thousands of ways to skin a cat. I just know for me, what I've been doing and working on has really worked for me. Rather than saying to someone, ‘you should do this,’ I just want to be legit. Just be like, ‘hey, it's ok. I have it as well, it's fine.’ But the massive thing is you have to work on it. Think of it like Kobe Bryant or MJ. Do you think they're the best players just naturally? I mean yes they're talented, but look at their work ethic. If you want to be good at something, you need to work at something. If you want to be a better version of yourself, you need to work at it. I feel like it takes years. I've been working on it for five years, and I'm so proud of my growth. But I'm so excited because there's so much more untapped potential within the space of my mind that I'm working on. It's really cool to see the rewards of it. I can really see myself as a human develop, and that’s the really cool bit. I'm just a human. Everyone's got anxieties. Everyone's got really f*cked up things going on in their life, but I guess it's the ones that can sit there, think about it deeper, ask themselves questions and work on it. Go see psychologists or journal or meditate. Try to pick up when you get stressed, or when you might react a certain way. Jot it down. Pick up trends. It's the exact same thing as looking at trends of clothes. Where's this trend happening? Why is this happening? Think about it deeper and ask questions, because when you do that, you get to the true cause of what's happening and who you are.
But you're definitely right in saying that it's something that everyone preaches about. It’s so easy to say, ‘go and get help,’ do all these things, but they don't talk to them like you from your own perspective.
Yeah, 100%. And like I'm saying, there's no one way to go about it. The way I go about it works for me, and I'm sure I'll find new things as well that will keep enhancing it, because when I work on this stuff, my creativity, the way I work, my wellbeing improves. Something as simple as finding hobbies outside of things. Boxing is a massive thing that I'm really into at the moment and it's a release of energy for me and it helps me feel calm and relaxed. I'm like, ‘f*ck, where has this been my whole life?’ But that just takes time to develop. The massive thing is people preach about it, but what are you actually doing about it? I feel like the ones that preach about it, maybe they don't put the work in or they rather just be someone that's maybe a little bit quieter about it. But I work hard at it and people will see the results by me just being me.
Ok. Let's talk about ‘El Duce’ now. Something I found surprising while doing research for this was that when you do the interviews with Push Pull, they never talk about your footy, but when you did interviews with Box Hill, people talked about Push Pull. So firstly, how is your current season with Blackburn?
I’m not playing footy! I haven’t played for two years. That’s interesting.
When I was doing research and stuff, on the Blackburn website it says you’re still on the 2024 senior list!
Am I still on there? Well no, I haven't played footy in two years. That's f*cking funny. Like I said, footy was a massive part of my life. It’s so much learning.
Do you ever miss it, or think about going back?
I have here and there. It’s probably moreso in the sense that I'd love to see if I’ve still got it, and I obviously miss the camaraderie with mates. That's massive. But I don’t miss it as much as I thought. I played at Box Hill and it’s like a semi-professional set up, so it was pretty full on. You get so much more time back in your life and so much more time to invest into what I love to do. But the really cool thing is I'm so grateful for football. It teaches you so much about life as well. So many great connections. So many friends I made from it. I'd never change anything that I've been through because it just leads me to where I am presently. Footy was great though. It's sort of a love-hate relationship. I do miss it, but I don't miss it as much as I thought I would.
Well, I've got a few players here that you might have played with, and you tell us if these are right because some of them we’ve had to guess based on your age. So I’ve got Jai Newcombe, who you made the VFL Team of the Year with. Josh Daicos and Campbell Lane?
Yeah, I played with Josh- and Campbell is right too.
And I’ve got here that you went to school with Ned Reeves and Lachie Sullivan.
Do you know what's funny? That last person you mentioned. Lachie Sullivan. I was really good mates with him during school, and he was probably the best junior footballer that never got drafted. Absolute freak.
Well we both go for Collingwood so we’ve been seeing him a bit now.
He's such a gun. I'm so proud and grateful that he stuck it out and got his opportunity. I'm not as close with him as I used to be, but I'm so, so proud of him. It's so sick to see someone just constantly work at something and get their dream reward. I was watching him play in front of 70,000 people on the G and thinking, ‘Jesus, that's sick.’
He's probably the best I’ve played with. We were together at Oakleigh Chargers and then at St Kevins, and some of the sh*t he was doing, I was like, ‘holy sh*t.’ I was shattered when he didn't get drafted straight out of school. He definitely should have, but it just shows you if you really want something, you'll get it. He just kept working. It doesn't even need to be in a creative sense- that's a prime example of someone wanting something and doing anything to get there. And he did.
Would you say he’s the best player that you've played with?
He's definitely one of them. There are so many good players I played with. I used to play at Camberwell Sharks Junior Football, and there was this guy named Max Blake. Holy God, this guy was a superstar. So good. There are so many good junior footballers that should make it, but they don't, and it's all circumstance. People go through things in life, and when you start to grow up, you get introduced to partying, and girls, and your priorities slowly shift. But yeah, there's so many good junior footballers. He was definitely one of them. Sully [Lachie Sullivan] was definitely one of them. Josh was a good footballer as well. He used to play for Bulleen and I was at Camberwell Sharks so we used to vs each other when I was young, so that's how we know each other.
That's interesting because you say Lachie Sullivan and Max Blake, and Josh Daicos. There was a lot of frustration in his first few years at Collingwood.
No, he's a gun. He's a gun. And that's the same thing- he worked at it. If you want something, you have to work. You can see all those players that were playing really well. Yes, they're naturally talented, but everyone that gets drafted was naturally talented. It's the ones that then work really hard. They're the ones that jump.
What about Jai Newcombe?
Oh yeah, he's a bloody big boy. I remember when we were boxing when he first came down. I was thinking, ‘how is this guy 19?’ He was a big, big boy. He reminded me of the Honey Badger. He's got a bit of Honey Badger look about him. That big body, he just destroyed the VFL. He was killing it.
But you were also kind of crazy too, because you were in the same Team of the Year.
Yeah, I was handy, I guess. I wasn't too bad. I was really fortunate as well when I was 23. Sam Mitchell was my coach in 2022 and he took a liking to me. It was probably the first time I felt like I belonged playing VFL, and that was my best year that I had played. He gave me the opportunity to do a preseason at the Hawks the next year, which was really, really cool, and then I was given the opportunity to stay on the list. But because I was 23, I almost learned that there was more to life than football. I was thinking, ‘am I doing this for the right reasons? Am I doing this to prove people wrong or prove people right?’ I feel like if you're trying to prove people wrong, I don't think that's the right way to go about. I knew I could have done it and I know that what I'm doing now is probably where the universe wanted me to go. I don't ever regret it. But I’m super grateful for the opportunity. It was awesome. I met so many people. Training a full AFL preseason was probably the hardest thing ever, on both the body and the mind. Really, really stressful. I'm still close with Sammy Mitchell as well. He's a lovely guy. I'm really grateful for the opportunity.
And Jarryd Roughead, as well.
Ohh yeah, me and Roughy. When I was at Box Hill, in one of Roughy’s last years at the Hawks he started playing more in the reserves. Me and him got really close and he took a strong liking to me. He was someone in my ear saying, ‘bro, you can make it.’ He really invested in me and he's someone that I still catch up with. He’s a really good person for me in my life. If I ever need to have a chat, I'd definitely hit him up. He's a special guy. Really humble and down to earth. I guess it’s who the universe wanted to put me with. That's funny you said that.
Well, let me see what other questions we have about footy. Not many actually.
It was like a Nardwuar, then. Bringing up Roughy.
Ok, let's go back to talking about Push Pull. In a 2021 interview, you were saying that you hoped to broaden the male stereotypes around creativity and fashion. What specific stereotypes are you talking about here and what are you trying to do?
I guess it’s just coming back to when I was going through school, and I just lived in that stereotype of being a footy boy, being a part of that culture and not feeling comfortable to really be myself. Going through the journey, I probably wasn't the best version of myself. I really do want to break those stereotypes down- the thing I really revert back to is the thought that I don't want to inspire millions of people. I just want to inspire one person. That's all. It's a really small approach, but I don't want to go out there and make outlandish comments. All I want to do is inspire one person that was potentially in my situation and give them the confidence that they can do whatever they set out to do.
I hope to keep working and building out Push Pull and hopefully it gets to a stage where it's a little bit more self-sufficient so I can take that step back and really work on trying to help other people out. That's definitely the vision and the goal for the future, but it's going to take time and steps to get there. But I will work really hard to get there if I am able to help one person.
Especially at a boy’s school, I feel like everyone is dressed a bit the same.
Yeah. 100%. Everything sort of assimilates, and if you are on the outside of that you get a little bit ostracised. What's funny as well is so many people or friends from school are starting to coming around to it. That shows that everyone is on their own journey, and it takes time. But I'm really glad that I was that one person that was able to stand out and do my thing. Even though I lost connection with a lot of friends and stuff, because I knew I needed to focus on myself and be happy with who I was and start to associate myself with people who also had like-minded views and opinions.
Yeah. It's definitely easy to say to people to do your own thing and tell people to not focus on what everyone else is doing, but I feel like it’s something you have to figure out yourself. You can’t be taught that from someone else.
100%- it’s about having these conversations. For people that listen or read, I'm just talking about my experience. I'm not telling anyone how to go about doing something. Hopefully by talking about my experience that is inspiring enough, and eventually you individually go out and do it. I can't do it for you. Your parents can't do it for you. You need to resort back and do it yourself, and it takes time. Some people will get there. Some people won’t. But that's ok. You need to revolve back to thinking about what you can do. You can't fix or help everyone, and the main thing that I really notice is you also have to help yourself first.
I was just about to say that as well. You have to focus on yourself a lot first.
100%.
I got a few more here. Let's talk about the late and great Virgil Abloh and KidSuper. What can you say about these two figures?
Virgil is definitely a major influence in terms of my love for what I do. Just listening to YouTube videos and the way he would speak about things. When I was young, I wouldn't really understand it. But now, as I'm growing up, it starts to make a lot more sense. You know what he is saying and the things he was trying to do and create. I really like the way he would think about things. It goes back to that concept of creating with purpose. What I mean by that is asking yourself those questions: Why am I doing this? What's the feeling with it? What's the emotion? Just thinking about things a lot deeper. I think he was someone that naturally did that really, really well. Even if you think about him as a designer, in his late 30s and 40s he expanded and had new concepts that he was able to share. It goes to show that it takes time to get to a point where you can speak about creativity and have these lateral concepts. There would have been so many things that he would have gone through in his life that would have allowed him to speak in that sort of way. Learning from him, I can’t share about what’s going to happen in the future. I can only share with you what’s happened in my past and what’s leading me to where I am now. When my life grows, I'll have more to share. That's the beauty as well. So he's really cool. The attention to detail is something that I really am growing into more, and that is something that he does really well, even with packaging. With the silhouettes. I'm not someone who even has a lot of Off-White stuff, but I've been into Off-White stores and you appreciation it. He always said this thing in response t people saying his stuff is way too expensive: ‘if this isn’t going to be the spark for young kids [to do more] then nothing will be.’ He doesn't want you to buy his stuff. He wants to inspire you to make your own stuff and get to that level. So that's something that's really, really cool.
KidSuper is someone I really, really admire the way he does his skits and that creative side of things. I feel like creating skits and tying some sort of emotion to a product definitely works. It adds life to something. That North Face jacket is just a North Face jacket, but if I create a world that the jacket is living in, or a story that a consumer can relate to it becomes something cooler than just a piece of clothing. I feel like tying in emotion to things and creating skits or photo shoots that the garment lives in is something that KidSuper does really well with his creative mind. That's something that I feel like is really interesting and something that I'm developing more. So yeah, those are two people who have been great inspirations in my journey. I guess also for me, because I haven't studied too much, I sort of trust my own intuition and use it as a guide of if something feels right or not. If something doesn't feel right, I will wipe it. If something feels right, I'll go deep into that and really get into that. That's where the gold is.
CF: To honour American hip hop culture as well, something I wanted to ask you who won: Kendrick or Drake?
VA: That's funny as. Kendrick won, but I'm more of a Drake man.
AY: Yes, he gets it. He gets it. I love Drake more than any other artist. I like Kendrick too, but Drake was just the soundtrack of pretty much all my high school days.
100%, and he probably still is to be honest. He’s probably the GOAT artist, but Kendrick is probably the GOAT rapper. Drake is more than just a rapper, whereas I feel like Kendrick is just a purely class rapper. But that was so cool. Who knows what’s actually going on, it might just be marketing. I don’t really know. But it was so cool- just seeing the optics of it and seeing these two powerhouses rap battle. There were people on TikTok full on doing breakdowns of verses and what it means. I love how passionate people are about things. It's really, really cool. If you're not passionate about anything, life is so boring. Passion is the best.
On that, we've got a playlist of all of our guests’ favourite songs. So if you had 5 favourites that you could give us to add that would be great.
Let me see what I’ve got. I like this song- Japanese Denim by Daniel Caesar. Get Along Better by Drake. That one's probably my favourite at the moment. No Church in the Wild. What else have I been listening to lately? There's so many, it's hard to just name five.
You can name more than five if you want.
I really do like Drake’s stuff. I’m really liking this one at the moment: Yebba’s Heartbreak. I’m obviously liking all the rap beef stuff, like Not Like Us. But yeah, I don’t know. With me, with music, I’m really weird. I'll listen to Michael Bublé, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and then I'll listen listen to a bit of disco and jazz, and then Kanye and Drake. I sort of like a bit of everything. I don't even really have a top five. I’ll just go with how I'm feeling. If it's sounding good, I’ll listen to it.
Yeah, definitely. That's good. Last one I have today- we always end with this one. Do you have any words of wisdom, people to shout out or anything to promote?
I’ll shout out George first. He’s my man. He's my ride or die.
Words of wisdom? I don't know. I guess through this whole interview I've just been speaking a lot about going through life and thinking a bit deeper about things. Nothing is as big or as bad as it seems. I used to put so much weight on everything- everything was ride or die, but it’s not. When you think about, the sun will rise and fall. The leaves will blow. In the grand scheme of it, the universe is so big in compared to what we are. We're just doing small work. We're not doing God's work. When you have that mindset, everything is a lot easier. It's like, ‘Oh ok. Doesn’t faze me.’ The hours are going to go by, and what can I do about it. You can’t actually do anything- all you can do is just control what you can control.
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